Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/14/2006 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         February 14, 2006                                                                                    
                             9:04 a.m.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary  Wilken convened the meeting at approximately  9:04:10                                                          
AM.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also  Attending:   DAVID  TEAL, Director,  Division  of Legislative                                                           
Finance; JAMES ARMSTRONG, Staff to Co-Chair Wilken                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Attending  via  Teleconference:     There  were  no  teleconference                                                           
participants.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                             Overview:                                                                                          
                      Senate Finance Snapshot                                                                                   
                                Of                                                                                              
                  The Governor's Budget Proposal                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  acknowledged the  extensive discussion in  the past                                                            
month  about what  Governor Murkowski's  proposed  budget "does  and                                                            
does not do".                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:05:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  gave his overview  utilizing a presentation  titled                                                            
"Senate  Finance   Snapshot  of  the  Governor's  Budget   Proposal,                                                            
2/14/06" [copy on file].                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair    Wilken   requested    Committee    members   focus    on                                                            
"sustainability" when considering the funding requests.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:06:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken informed  that the  Governor  was requesting  19.49                                                            
percent more general funds  than the previous year appropriation. Of                                                            
that,  $210  million,  or eight  percent  of  the  proposed  budget,                                                            
represents fixed  cost increases that include insurance,  contracts,                                                            
debt service and retirement.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:07:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  stated that over $272 million, or  10.4 percent, of                                                            
the proposed budget would  be allocated for variable cost increases.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:07:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken noted  that the  FY 06 total  appropriation  amount                                                            
would  be  increased  one percent,  or  $28  million,  to  implement                                                            
legislation sponsored by the Governor.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:07:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken qualified  that this  amount does  not include  any                                                            
funding for capital projects, only operating expenses.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:07:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  remarked  that the  question  is whether  such  an                                                            
increase would be sustainable.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:08:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken identified  approximately  $17 million is  proposed                                                            
for new foundations, projects and programs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:08:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated  that $60 million is requested to offset non-                                                            
general fund sources that would no longer be available.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:09:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Available to Spend - 24th Legislature - 2nd Session                                                                        
     [In millions]                                                                                                              
     A) FY 06 Surplus (1/10/06 estimate)                       $1,200                                                           
     B) FY 07 Unrestricted General Fund Revenue                 3,139                                                           
          (Fall Revenue Forecast)                                                                                               
     C) Total General Fund Revenue Available to Spend          $4,339                                                           
          (our checkbook)                                                                                                       
     Minus                                                                                                                      
     Governor Proposed Spending Bills                                                                                           
     D) Operating Budget FY 07 (SB 288 + K-12)              $3,103.60                                                           
     Minus                                                                                                                      
     E) Energy Supplemental FY 06 (SB 232)                      52.00                                                           
     F) Capital Supplemental FY 06 (SB 233)                    129.40                                                           
     G) Regular Supplemental FY 06 (SB 263)                     99.90                                                           
     H) Fast Track Supplemental FY 06 (SB 264                   13.50                                                           
                Total Supplementals                           $294.80                                                           
     Minus                                                                                                                      
     I) Capital Budget (SB 231)                               $432.10                                                           
     Minus                                                                                                                      
     J) "Other" - Gas Pipeline Equity FY 07                   $400.00                                                           
     K) "Other" ~ Legislation (12/15 OMB handout) FY 07         28.00                                                           
     L) "Other" ~ Budget amendments FY 07                        -                                                              
                Total "Other"                                 $428.00                                                           
     Minus                                                                                                                      
     M) FY 07 Supplemental (estimate)                          $75.00                                                           
     Leaves                                                                                                                     
     O) Savings                                                 $5.50                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     [This spreadsheet  also contains a column aligned  with lines D                                                            
     through  O to  reflect  the actions  of the  Legislature  after                                                            
     consideration of the Governor's proposed spending bills.]                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken overviewed this spreadsheet. He noted the total                                                                 
general fund revenue is "seeded" with surplus income for FY 06.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:10:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated the purpose of this spreadsheet is to                                                                    
demonstrate the interaction of the amount of revenue available and                                                              
the amounts the Governor is proposing to spend.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken supported the "mantra" that more funds would be                                                                 
saved for after FY 07.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:11:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken pointed out that the proposed budgets contain no                                                                
appropriations for firefighting activities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:12:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken remarked that this Committee, the House Finance                                                                 
Committee  and  Governor   Murkowski  are  faced  with  determining                                                             
priorities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  could  support  expending  some  of the  funds  on                                                            
deferred  maintenance  projects, as  they would  prevent  additional                                                            
costs in the future  and would not require future  funding. However,                                                            
the governor's  proposed  budget legislation  include  all types  of                                                            
spending proposals.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:13:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  noted the $75 million estimate given  for the FY 07                                                            
supplemental   appropriation    is   not   representative   of   any                                                            
calculation.   Rather  the  amount  was  chosen  to  represent   the                                                            
assumption that a supplemental appropriation would be necessary.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:14:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  commented that the submission of  four supplemental                                                            
bills was "rather  unusual". He assumed that the information  on the                                                            
spreadsheet  does  not  contain any  "double  counting"  of  funding                                                            
requests  included  in  the  governor's  proposed  FY  07  operating                                                            
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:14:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken replied  that the figures are listed "as presented".                                                            
He was unaware of any duplication.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:14:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  TEAL, Director,  Division  of Legislative  Finance  testified                                                            
that  he had  not identified  any  duplication.  He  noted that  the                                                            
requests  made   in  the  FY  06  supplemental  requests   could  be                                                            
appropriated  July  1, 2006  and included  in  the FY  07  operating                                                            
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:15:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES ARMSTRONG, Staff  to Co-Chair Wilken, furthered that the items                                                            
included in the FY 06 Capital  Supplemental would likely be included                                                            
in amendments  to the other supplemental  requests if denied  in the                                                            
original legislation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:15:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Hoffman  commented   that  the   proposed  profit-sharing                                                             
production tax (PPT) would  likely change the figures represented on                                                            
the spreadsheet. He understood  the tax would be made retroactive to                                                            
January 2006 and would provide an additional $2 billion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:16:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  asked  the source  of  the  estimate of  the  $1.2                                                            
million FY  06 surplus, given the  numerous variables including  oil                                                            
prices.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:17:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken affirmed  the estimates are "very much in flux". The                                                            
amounts listed  on the spreadsheet  are derived from the  Department                                                            
of  Revenue's  revenue   forecast  of  January  10,   2006  and  the                                                            
Governor's proposed budget submitted on December 15, 2005.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:17:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal added  that the $1.2 billion  surplus estimate is  based on                                                            
the projected  oil prices  of $49 for FY 07  and $57 for FY  06. The                                                            
revenue forecast  committee is scheduled  to meet this week  and the                                                            
estimates  would  be  revised.  He predicted  the  FY  06  projected                                                            
surplus  could  increase  $150  million  and the  FY  07  forecasted                                                            
revenue could increase by as much as $500 million.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:18:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stressed  the importance of the relationship between                                                            
the revenues and the proposed spending.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:18:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde reemphasized  his concern  with the  approval of  any                                                            
supplemental capital appropriations.  This would create a new budget                                                            
category.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:19:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     [Flow chart comprised of five boxes interrelating and with                                                                 
     dollar amounts reflected in millions:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Income                                                                                                                     
          FY 06 Surplus (1/10/06 estimate)                $1,200                                                                
          FY 07 Unrestricted General Fund Revenue          3,139                                                                
          Total Revenue                                   $4,339                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     FY 2006                                                                                                                    
          Gas Pipeline Equity                               $400                                                                
          FY 06 Energy Supplemental (SB 232)                  52                                                                
          FY  06 Capital/Deferred  Maintenance (SB 233)      129.4                                                              
          FY 06 Regular Supplemental (SB 263)                 99.9                                                              
          FY 06 Fast Track Supplemental (SB 264)              13.5                                                              
          FY 07 Legislation                                   28                                                                
          Subtotal                                          $772.8                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     FY 2007                                                                                                                    
          FY 06 Base Operating                            $2,620                                                                
          FY 07 Fixed Operating Increases                    210                                                                
          FY 07 Variable Operating Increases                 273                                                                
          FY 07 Operating Total                           $3,103.6                                                              
          FY 07 Supplemental (estimate)                       75                                                                
          FY 07 Capital (12/15/05)                           432                                                                
          Subtotal                                        $3,611                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     FY 2008                                                                                                                    
          Education Fund                                      $0                                                                
          Debt Retirement Fund                                 0                                                                
          Subtotal                                            $0                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Out Years                                                                                                                  
          Permanent Fund Earnings Reserve                                                                                       
          Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                                         
          Permanent Fund Principal                                                                                              
          Subtotal                                            $0                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Total Proposed Spending                              $4,333.5                                                              
     Savings                                                   5.5                                                              
     Surplus                                                   0.0]                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stated  that this  flow chart  makes the  situation                                                            
more  graphic.  Choices  are  available  due  to  the  surplus.  The                                                            
unanticipated  additional  income could  be expended  on any of  the                                                            
four categories  of: FY 06, FY 07, FY 08 and Out Years.  This policy                                                            
call would not be made during this meeting.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken was  not concerned  whether the  revenue was  FY 06                                                            
surplus. This  exercise assisted him in understanding  "forward" and                                                            
"early" funding.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:23:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde relayed observations  predicting one scenario in which                                                            
the  revenue  and budgetary   needs for  FY  08  could result  in  a                                                            
deficit.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:23:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken agreed, noting he would address this matter later                                                               
in the presentation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:24:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman remarked that the FY 08 revenue forecast must be                                                                
reviewed. Gauging future oil prices is difficult.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:24:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Governor's Proposed FY 07 GF Increases                                                                                     
     $ millions                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [Bar graph depicting the amount proposed for agencies as                                                                   
     follows:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Health and Social Services              $143.9                                                                             
     Education and Early Development           89.0                                                                             
     Fund Capitalization                       55.1                                                                             
     Transportation  and Public Facilities     44.7                                                                             
     University of Alaska                      41.7                                                                             
     Debt Service                              21.6                                                                             
     Corrections                               13.7                                                                             
     Administration                            13.1                                                                             
     Fish and Game                             10.2                                                                             
     Public Safety                             10.1                                                                             
     Labor and Workforce Development            8.6                                                                             
     Natural Resources                          7.6                                                                             
     Alaska Court System                        5.8                                                                             
     Office of the Governor                     4.0                                                                             
     Commerce,  Community and Economic  Dev     3.3                                                                             
     Environmental Conservation                 3.2                                                                             
     Law                                        2.4                                                                             
     Legislature                                2.1                                                                             
     Military and Veterans Affairs              1.7                                                                             
     Revenue                                    0.8]                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated this graph answers the question of "where                                                                
the money is going."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:25:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  asked whether  any  portion  of  the aforementioned                                                             
amounts  represents  fixed   increases  or  if  the  entire  amounts                                                            
represent discretionary spending.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:25:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken replied  that the information represents all general                                                            
fund spending.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:25:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  asked  if  supplements   for  the Public   Employees                                                            
Retirement  System (PERS) and the  Teachers Retirement System  (TRS)                                                            
are included in these figures.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:25:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman responded  that funding is included for the PERS/TRS                                                            
targeted  mandatory funding.  However, the  amount requested  by the                                                            
governor  is significantly  less that the  amount necessary  to meet                                                            
the "targeted rate".                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:26:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman stated  that although  the listing  of the  amounts                                                            
requested  for  each  agency  is  helpful,  seeing   the  percentage                                                            
increases was "alarming".  He recalled being told that the budget of                                                            
the previous year  was a "catch up year" to offset  several years of                                                            
minimum  increases. However,  the  proposed FY  07 appropriation  is                                                            
another 13 percent increase over last year.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:27:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken indicated  he had  additional  information on  this                                                            
that he would provide to members.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:27:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  expressed interest  in reviewing a comparison  of the                                                            
requested funding increases to fixed cost increases.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:28:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  remarked   that  the fixed   cost  increases  were                                                            
unavoidable and required.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:28:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Alaska North Slope Production Forecast                                                                                     
     [Spreadsheet listing the following:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2000                                                                                                         
     Total  ANS: 1.040                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2001                                                                                                         
     Total  ANS: 0.991                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2002                                                                                                         
     Total  ANS: 1.004                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2003                                                                                                         
     Total  ANS: 0.991                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2004                                                                                                         
     Total  ANS: 0.980                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2005                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.917                                                                                                 
     Total  ANS: 0.917                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2006                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.815                                                                                                 
     Under Development: 0.051                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.866                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2007                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.724                                                                                                 
     Under Development: 0.114                                                                                                   
     Under Evaluation: 0.005                                                                                                    
     Total  ANS: 0.843                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2008                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.658                                                                                                 
     Under Development: 0.138                                                                                                   
     Under Evaluation: 0.035                                                                                                    
     Total  ANS: 0.831                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2009                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.602                                                                                                 
     Under Development: 0.146                                                                                                   
     Under Evaluation: 0.086                                                                                                    
     Total  ANS: 0.834                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal  Year: 2010                                                                                                         
     Currently Producing: 0.555                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.149                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.128                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.832                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2011                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.514                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.145                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.194                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.853                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2012                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.479                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.136                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.231                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.846                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2013                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.449                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.127                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.242                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.853                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2014                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.423                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.121                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.244                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.788                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2015                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.400                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.118                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.242                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.762                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year: 2016                                                                                                          
     Currently Producing: 0.380                                                                                                 
     Under  Development: 0.114                                                                                                  
     Under  Evaluation: 0.306                                                                                                   
     Total  ANS: 0.800                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     The fiscal years 2007 through 2011 are highlighted                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     A notation reads as follows                                                                                                
     Some of the oil forecasted in the Under Development and Under                                                              
     Evaluation categories are from new projects in fields                                                                      
     currently producing.]                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken explained this spreadsheet is based on information                                                              
provided by the  Department of Revenue and demonstrates  the history                                                            
and the future  of oil production.  He noted the reduced  production                                                            
of approximately 160,000  barrels per day from the fiscal year 2000.                                                            
Fortunately,  production is  estimated to  be approximately  840,000                                                            
barrels per  day for the  next five years.  However, the decline  is                                                            
significant  and "obviously, the less  you pump the less  you make."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:29:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Trouble Ahead…???                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Fiscal Year 2008 (Estimated Fiscal Summary)                                                                                
     [Spreadsheet indicating the following in millions:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     FY 07 Base Operating                                    $3,103                                                             
          Assumes Governor's FY 07 proposed operating budget is                                                                 
          adopted                                                                                                               
     FY 08 Fixed Operating Increases                           $220                                                             
          Assumes 7% fixed cost increase.                                                                                       
          (PERS/TRS, Health Insurance, Debt Service & Fund                                                                      
          Capitalization, Contracts)                                                                                            
     Estimated Major FY 08 Variable Operating Increases        $150                                                             
          Medicaid ~ $50 million                                                                                                
          K-12 formula ~ $50 million                                                                                            
          Agencies/U of A increments ~ $50 million                                                                              
     FY 08 Operating Total                                   $3,473                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     FY 07 Supplemental (estimate)                              $75                                                             
          Estimated Placeholder (this year FY 06 = $294 million)                                                                
     FY 08 Capital                                             $133                                                             
          Minimum GF Match for Federal road funds                                                                               
     Total FY 08 Spending                                    $3,681                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     FY 08 Revenues                                          $3,000                                                             
          Estimated at $49 dollars per barrel @ .831 barrels/day                                                                
          (Dept. of Revenue Fall Forecast)                                                                                      
     Surplus?                                                    $0                                                             
           Assumes no carryforward (surplus) from FY 07                                                                         
     Surplus/Deficit                                          ($681)]                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  remarked that  these  are valid  assumptions.  The                                                            
amounts listed  on the spreadsheet are conservative  and incorporate                                                            
the increases in which  the legislature has no control, $150 million                                                            
in increases  for  other programs  and  a capital  appropriation  of                                                            
nothing more  than the  amount necessary  to provide matching  funds                                                            
for federal projects.  The FY 07 Governor's proposed  budget is $450                                                            
million  out of  balance.  No  surplus funding  would  be  available                                                            
because it would all have been appropriated in FY 06 and FY 07.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:32:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  acknowledged that  some of the figures shown  could                                                            
be challenged, however, most are "conservative at best".                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:33:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal affirmed the figures are nearly accurate.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:33:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman  commented  on  the eight  percent  fixed  rate  of                                                            
growth. Although  it is primarily formula based, it  must be reduced                                                            
eventually.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:33:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken   recalled  when  he  first  was   elected  to  the                                                            
legislature  and efforts  were made  to implement  relatively  minor                                                            
cost containment  measures for the  Medicaid program. The  lawmakers                                                            
received significant pressure  to not eliminate services. One of the                                                            
services  under  consideration  was  reimbursement  of prescription                                                             
eyeglasses and understandably,  many people argued to the importance                                                            
of their ability to have corrected vision.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:34:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde calculated  that  a deficit  could occur  even if  $2                                                            
billion was generated from a change to tax on oil production.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:35:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Projected Fiscal Gap/Surplus at Various Year-End Average ANS                                                               
     Crude Prices                                                                                                               
     $3.1 Billion FY 07 General Fund Operating Budget with                                                                      
     FY 03 - 08 Breakeven Points added                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     [Graph detailing  Dollar Per Barrel of Oil ranging  from $25 to                                                            
     $69 with  FY 03 through FY 08  indicated, and the amount  of GF                                                            
     Revenue,  Fiscal GF  Gap and  Fiscal Surplus  ranging from  ($2                                                            
     million) to $5 million for each price.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Notations read:                                                                                                            
     Current Price: 1/10/06 $60.62/bbl                                                                                          
     Average  price  to  date: 1/10/06  $59.05/bbl  -  $1.2  billion                                                            
     surplus                                                                                                                    
     Assumes    $60    million    placeholder    for   supplemental                                                             
     appropriations.                                                                                                            
     Unrestricted  GF Revenue  required for  government operations,                                                             
     includes revenues  not directly affected by fluctuations in oil                                                            
     prices. Assumes DOR Fall 2005 Revenue Forecast.]                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  remarked   that  this   graph  demonstrates   the                                                            
importance of sustainability.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  clarified  that  the variegated  red,  orange  and                                                            
yellow "Fiscal  GF Gap" field on the colored graph  should be red up                                                            
to  the   point  of  zero   to  indicate   the  deficit.   Technical                                                            
difficulties prevented the accurate portrayal.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  acknowledged  that  some would  project  that  oil                                                            
prices  would remain  at  $60 per  barrel.  However,  he and  others                                                            
predicted  the  prices  would decrease  to  an  average of  $40  per                                                            
barrel. He  cautioned against "praying  to the oil gods that  prices                                                            
would stay high."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken stressed the  need to rely  on the information  and                                                            
experts. If prices  did not remain relatively high,  the legislature                                                            
would again be  forced to consider taxes on residents,  visitors and                                                            
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked about  historical budget increases before FY 03.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:40:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken replied that the issue could be studied.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:41:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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     Alaska General Fund Expenditures                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     [Graph detailing  the expenditures for FY 03  through FY 06 and                                                            
     projected  expenditures  for  FY 07  through  FY  15 for  seven                                                            
     categories, and the  annual breakeven price of oil necessary to                                                            
     fund the steady increases.  The FY 03 expenditure and projected                                                            
     FY 14 expenditure  are listed for each category  in billions as                                                            
     follows:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Criminal Justice                                                                                                           
          FY  03: $.3                                                                                                           
          FY  14: $.6                                                                                                           
     K-12 Funding                                                                                                               
          FY  03: $.7                                                                                                           
          FY 14: $1.6                                                                                                           
     University of Alaska                                                                                                       
          FY  03: $.2                                                                                                           
          FY  14: $.6                                                                                                           
     Health & Social Services                                                                                                   
          FY  03: $.5                                                                                                           
          FY 14: $1.0                                                                                                           
     Resources                                                                                                                  
          FY  03: $.1                                                                                                           
          FY  14: $.2                                                                                                           
     All Others                                                                                                                 
          FY  03: $.3                                                                                                           
          FY 14: $1.0                                                                                                           
     Capital Projects                                                                                                           
          FY  03: $.1                                                                                                           
          FY  14: $.3                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The annual breakeven prices of oil are as follows:                                                                         
     FY 03  - $35.75                                                                                                            
     FY 04  - $30.75                                                                                                            
     FY 05  - $35.75                                                                                                            
     FY 06 - not listed                                                                                                         
     FY 07  - $55.25                                                                                                            
     FY 08  - $56.50                                                                                                            
     FY 09  - $60.50                                                                                                            
     FY 10  - $65.00                                                                                                            
     FY 11  - $70.00                                                                                                            
     FY 12  - $75.00                                                                                                            
     FY 13  - $80.75                                                                                                            
     FY 14  - $86.75                                                                                                            
     FY 15  - $93.25                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     A notation reads:                                                                                                          
     Projected  appropriations   increase  at the  rates  of  growth                                                            
     experienced  from FY 03 to FY 07, except capital  is a constant                                                            
     $300  million. The  "breakeven  price of  oil assumes  constant                                                            
     production at the FY 06 level.]                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken stated that Mr. Teal provided this information.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:42:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal informed  that  this graph  was  prepared  in response  to                                                            
questions  from legislators  about sustained  increases. This  chart                                                            
extends the  growth rates based on  historical increases.  The rates                                                            
are conservative, not solely  reflective of the 15 percent growth of                                                            
the past two years,  but rather a nine percent average  of the years                                                            
dating back to  FY 03. The growth rates of FY 00 through  FY 03 were                                                            
"fairly flat".  Some components increase at different  rates and the                                                            
increases   would   be   sustainable   if   oil   prices   increased                                                            
approximately  $5 per barrel each  year and assuming production  was                                                            
unchanged.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:44:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  remarked, "It's obvious to anyone  looking at these                                                            
charts  that  there's  no way  we  can  cut ourselves  out  of  this                                                            
problem."  One  solution,  which  Governor  Murkowski  is  currently                                                            
considering is a profit-sharing  production tax (PPT). Alaskans must                                                            
insure  the   State  is  receiving   its  fair  share  of   resource                                                            
development. British  Petroleum reported profits of  $22 billion and                                                            
Exxon   reported    $36   billion.   Corporations   are    profiting                                                            
significantly from oil in Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  noted that $1 to  $2 billion in additional  oil tax                                                            
revenue is absent  from the projections given in this  presentation.                                                            
However, he  urged caution because  oil prices could still  drop and                                                            
the additional  revenue would  be insufficient  to avoid a  deficit.                                                            
Further  savings  must  be implemented   for the  future  to  ensure                                                            
sustainability. Immediate  relief would be realized with the receipt                                                            
of  "our fair  share"  of  taxes.  Accomplishing  this would  be  an                                                            
appropriate goal for this legislative session.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:48:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  stated that oil company  profits and assets  should                                                            
not be factored.  Rather the State must consider Alaska  in relation                                                            
to  the  oil reserves  in  the  rest  of the  world  and  how  other                                                            
countries  divide  proceeds  between government  and  industry.  The                                                            
current  royalty  tax  utilized  in  Alaska   is regressive.   Other                                                            
countries   have  adopted   different  methods,   which  creates   a                                                            
competitive environment.  He did not begrudge the  oil companies for                                                            
making  a  profit.  They  should  stay  in  business  to  allow  for                                                            
continued oil production in Alaska.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman predicted  that the current Economic Limiting Factor                                                            
(ELF) system  of determining royalties  would likely be eliminated.                                                             
He did  not disagree  with the  proposal  to make a  new tax  system                                                            
retroactive to January 1, 2006.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:50:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  identified  the primary issue  as the need  to save                                                            
for the  State's future.  The estimates given  in Co-Chair  Wilken's                                                            
presentation are not unreasonable.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman  considered the proposed $400 million  investment in                                                            
a natural gas  pipeline to be a savings rather than  an expenditure.                                                            
If the gasline were not  constructed, the funds would be returned to                                                            
the general fund to be appropriated for other purposes.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:52:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  concluded his presentation was intended  to explain                                                            
the  situation.  Senate  Finance departmental   subcommittees  would                                                            
begin meetings the following  week and budgetary guidelines would be                                                            
forthcoming soon  after. He predicted that the amounts  requested by                                                            
the Governor  would not be approved  and that some revenue  would be                                                            
put aside  as a savings.  The subcommittees  must ascertain  whether                                                            
the  proposed  funding  increases   would  serve  Alaskans  or  were                                                            
proposed  only because surplus  funding was  available. The  Finance                                                            
Committee must  consider the possible financial situation  for FY 08                                                            
and  FY 09  so  future Committee  members  would  not  be forced  to                                                            
address a deficit.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:53:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  remarked that his intent was not  to cause hardship                                                            
for oil corporations.  However they are earning significant  profits                                                            
while  needs of  Alaskan  residents  are  not being  met,  including                                                            
education,  consequences  of  increased  fuel  costs  and  municipal                                                            
revenue sharing.  If the  PPT were $2 billion,  the companies  would                                                            
still earn a profit of $56 billion.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:55:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken interjected  that  the issue  of  the proposed  PPT                                                            
would be debated in future meetings.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:55:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  opined that Alaskan's  "appetite for spending"  would                                                            
encompass any increase in revenues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:56:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman agreed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:56:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken intended for the presentation to make the issue                                                                 
less complicated and more challenging.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:56:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green thanked Co-Chair Wilken for the presentation.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Gary Wilken adjourned the meeting at 9:56:48 AM                                                                      

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